Uncategorized patrickmead on 20 Mar 2007 11:17 am
The Ramapo Mountain People (pt. 18 in a series)
(Chapter 17 was just posted at www.tribes.patrickmead.net)
When you think of New Jersey, what comes to mind? If you’ve never been there and all your information about NJ comes from TV you might think it is one huge cesspit of crime, urban blight, gang warfare, and not much else. You’d be wrong. New Jersey has beautiful farmland, miles and miles of flowers, some beautiful beaches, and mountains that are worth a long trip to see.
And those mountains aren’t uninhabited. There, right in the back yard of some of the most densely populated urban areas in the US, are wild, largely unexplored mountain redoubts. New Jersey folk are proud of their little State and there is a cottage industry in collecting trivia about every part of their present and past. "Weird New Jersey" is a fantastic magazine that is found in every bookstore in the state. It only publishes occasionally, but it is worth the wait. Used copies go for full price on Ebay.
One story that appears from time to time in Weird New Jersey, as this or that person wanders off the beaten path, concerns someone stumbling across the Ramapo Mountain people. A couple of teen boys will be out for a day of driving and fun, not paying much attention to where they are going, when they get into the Mahwah area of the mountains and find themselves surrounded by a strange looking people who, if they speak at all, have their own language (known to linguists as Jersey Dutch) and who do not welcome outsiders. These people are the Jackson Whites, or the Ramapo Mountain People. Some call them the Ramapo Indians but recent writers argue that there is little or no Indian in them. Their enclaves are hard to find even though they are only 30 miles from New York City.
They have Dutch names, but dark skin. They sued — Thurgood Marshall was their lawyer — two years before Brown vs. Topeka to be allowed entry into white schools. Their language is a polyglot made up of English, Dutch, and words that are only spoken and understood in the few miles that makes up their territory. There are several theories as to their origin, some of them fantastical or nasty. One of the most commonly told — and believed — is that a man named Jackson had been contracted by the British Army occupying New York during the Revolution to provide 5000 camp followers — prostitutes. He recruited 3000 prostitutes from the slums of London and finished with 2000 more from Jamaica. After the war was lost, the British didn’t take these poor women with them and the local people drove them out of town. They fled to the Ramapo Mountains and were taken in by the remnants of Indian tribes located there. Their offspring were the first of the Jackson Whites.
The problem? There is no historical basis for this legend. Some (disputed) DNA tests indicate little or no Indian blood in the group. So who are they? Some have said they are a mixed blood people made up of Hessian mercenaries (who also didn’t get a ride home when the game was over), camp followers, freed slaves, and mountain people. That may be likely, but I’d hate to put money on it at this time. It would explain their Dutch names as well as the name they were called for most of the last two hundred years — Jackson Whites. "Jacks" was a generic term in the 1700’s for "hill people" but also for "freed slaves."
They are clearly racially mixed — bronze skinned, curly hair — usually black, but often pure white, with blue eyes, wide, African noses, broad lipped. Inbreeding has caused some problems with piebaldness, webbed hands, extra fingers, albinism and frequent mental retardation. Some of them have become activists trying to get status for the group as Native American. They have been unsuccessful in this for a host of good reasons (DNA and history don’t back them up). If you want to follow that particular battle there are sites run by the Lenape Nation; they are the recognized Indian tribe that claims the Ramapo.
In the 1800’s and early 1900’s several clergymen tried, one at a time, to help the Ramapo out of their constant isolation and poverty. Each one of them — to my knowledge — were moved out of that diocese by their church’s headquarters. They were considered an embarrassment to their denomination since they spent so much time with the Jackson Whites. The most complete bibliography of every article, book, and term paper written on the Ramapo is found at http://www.netstrider.com/documents/whites/.
While descriptions of their communities often bring hate mail accusing the writer as racist and ignorant… here goes. Most of them live in isolated ravines or on the sides of mountains. The poverty is incredible. Indoor plumbing isn’t universal, though that situation is improving slowly, and old cars, discarded appliances, and trash litter their yards and communities. Strangers are often met with stony silence and malevolent stares — which is completely understandable when you see how some people come into their yards just to stare, take pictures, and laugh at them. It isn’t a nice place to visit… and it may not BE nice to visit. Complicated, isn’t it? Some Ramapo have taken to attacking (verbally and in print) anyone who mentions the inbreeding or physical problems, but there are plenty of medical journals backing up that assertion, complete with photos and suggested surgical solutions.
It is estimated that there are only 2000 Ramapo left. It is expected that their tribe will decrease, but slowly, for although they are 30 miles from Manhattan, it takes nearly three hours to get up into their area. They are incredibly isolated and unknown, even after two hundred years. We may never know their exact origin, or their exact racial makeup, but we know they are there and they deserve respect and privacy. One writer spent a year with them before putting pen to paper and his book "The Ramapo Mountain People" is available on Amazon. As a rule, the Ramapo do not welcome visitors or the curiosity of academics.
And those of you who were told you were Black Dutch? While that almost always means Romany (or gypsy), it was also a term used by the Jackson Whites/Ramapo Mountain People when they left their enclave and wanted to establish themselves in the larger community. It was a way to explain their appearance, their language, and their ways without linking them to a people much ridiculed and reviled.
But they weren’t the only ones. Several hidden peoples have used the term "Black Dutch" as a cover. Next time…
on 20 Mar 2007 at 12:19 pm # Dee Andrews
Patrick -
I keep thinking you are going to run out of fascinating facts to tell us after so long, but this post is just as good as the first and all of the rest even though it is number 18! Absolutely amazing stories and I have no idea how you found out about all of these peoples.
Can’t wait to read more! Speaking of which, let me wander over to Tribes real quick . . .
on 20 Mar 2007 at 1:49 pm # Greg England
Have you seen the television program “The Riches” (I think that is the name of it)? Supposedly about a family of Irish Travellers. I saw where it was supposed to be on last night, but I never found it on DirecTv. Curious if you’ve been watching that at all. All of this is absolutely fascinating! Have I said that before? If so, let me just add that all of this is absolutely fascinating!
on 20 Mar 2007 at 2:19 pm # Danny Gill
The Riches was on last night, on the FX channel, I believe. They posted a disclaimer about language, adult situations and the like, and we switched channels.
on 21 Mar 2007 at 9:53 am # Emily
Yeah, I’ve been wondering about where you find all of this stuff.
Is it all whispers from your Grandma? Oh, wait… wrong blog… haha
You rock, Patrick.
on 21 Mar 2007 at 11:10 am # Patrick Mead
I did some checking. The FX network describes the stars of “The Riches” as playing “Irish Travellers trying to steal the American dream.”
on 22 Mar 2007 at 10:55 pm # Greg England
Any time you find yourself going that far down into Alabama, you need to first go brush up on your marksmanship!
on 24 Mar 2007 at 9:01 am # Annette Perine
First- thank you for continuing this fascinating series. Second- thank you for your kind opening words about New Jersey! As a lifetime Jersey resident, and having lived all over New Jersey, it’s nice to hear some favorable comments about my home state!
I had spent a weekend camping trip in the mountainous Northwestern NJ region a long time ago. While there we encountered people who clearly did not live and speak like anyone else I had ever met in NJ before. I’m not sure that these were the people that you wrote about in this post, since it was 20 years ago and I don’t recall much detail about these people, other than that they were very different. Since then, my sister has moved to this same area. (New housing developments are springing up all over.) I told her about my encounter with these people. Not long after she moved there, she began to notice that if she went out at night to the local grocery store (there’s not much else around) she frequently saw people that she couldn’t describe any other way than to call them “hillbillies†for lack of a better term. This town is west of Mahwah by maybe 40 miles or more. But who knows? They could be the same people, or another completely separate group. There are many sparsely populated, remote and rugged places in North Jersey where people could live undisturbed. And in Southern NJ there is another small group of people who live hidden in the Pine Barrens. I’ve seen that these people, the “Pineys,†have been linked to the Ramapo and Melungeons, but without any conclusive evidence. Any info on that Patrick?
on 27 Mar 2007 at 5:50 pm # Lisa
Hi Annette,
Thank you for your reply to my email, and thank you for being open minded enough to understand my feelings.
After so many years of having to deal with ridiculous stories,full of myths and lies about my ancestors, it tends to be frustrating. Unfortunately, some people seem to enjoy believing everything that they hear, and even take it a step further, to write ridiculous articles about my people, as if we don’t even matter, as if we are not human, with no consideration that we have to work and go to school in this community. The outcome is that they continue to spread racism. Such racism is unacceptable. I have a voice, and I will speak against such articles as Mr. Meads, for myself as well as for the children growing up in this community. I can tell that you are a kind hearted person Annette, just as I am. Thank you for being compassionate enough to respond to my posting.
on 30 Mar 2007 at 1:13 pm # Patrick Mead
While your suppositions about my family are spot on (lots of criminals in that family tree of mine) I will let the rest of your comments stand as you wrote them. Have a blessed day.
on 30 Mar 2007 at 1:16 pm # Autumn Wind
Let us all not forget that this country had an admitted EXTERMINATION POLICY against Indians. The fact that we survived at all shows our great abilities and intellect! When the gov couldn’t kill or relocate all of us,
they then proceeded to write us out of history with a swipe of the pen. They simply decreed we no longer existed. (Virginia lead that charge). Once that happened, and when local whites would see our ancestors, can you imagine the fear by the native mothers? Fear
of being discovered and scalped/murdered/re-located etc. What could
our ancestors do but retreat further into the mt. terrain. Some stayed in the fertile valleys below. They simply never admitted their native heritage. Many had to keep silent to survive. A few did indeed have to intermarry to ensure their existance. We did however keep our clans, bands, ceremonies, and some songs alive. Our ancestors were brilliant people,
and adapted much easier to the dutch language
than the dutch and english ever did to our
language! As Munsee speakers, we soon began speaking dutch as their numbers rose in our territory. We were fluent speakers by the late 1600’s. Once the english took over, we
adapted yet again. The above mentioned reference to our “strange language” is actually a mergence of Munsee and jersey dutch dialect. If any of you are interested
there will soon be a comprehensive exhibit at the state museum (mabey by summers end)? It’s being worked on. There are MANY undisputable
Native American made artifacts….made by, and labeled as Ramapough Indian made, signed by the artisans ie: DeGroot, DeVries etc. Just like our mythologized history, our antiquities are also floating around in the hands of those unfamiliar. It’s a new day, and we are bringing the truth to those who can handle the truth! The trailside museum,
and the museum of natural history in NYC also
have many various Ramapough Indian artifacts.
All will hopefully be united one day on ramapough soil to enlighten those who walk in ignorance and fear!
on 17 Apr 2007 at 10:57 pm # John Mann
I ust wanted to say thank you for the information on my background, i never new my name (last name is mann) was so popularized amungst the ramapo( sorry if i spelled it wrong) peoples. I knew I was from this tribe but never new any thing about the background but looking at my relatives I could tell without a dought the genetic backgrounds, and i clearly see the indian in my grandfather and mother but also african but the dutch is all new to me. but don’t forget theirs still young people as i’m only 19 and have many cousins who will carry on the name and history of my people.
on 28 Feb 2009 at 12:04 am # kim mann
just to let people know my moms last name was mann,and dads last name is mann.There is 8 of us kids,we all are normal,our nice and long our features is those of indians.Ive been going up to the mountains since iI was little i nerve saw anyone up there with african noses,,,,,,,,,,,