Uncategorized patrickmead on 29 Aug 2008 08:33 am
Those Who Labor in the Lord
Something my wife learned about drove me to the classified ads for ministers recently. She was at a smaller church for a ladies’ function and got to meet the young man who was their minister and his lovely wife. She liked them immediately. Shortly afterwards, one of the ladies who splits her time between that congregation and ours told her that the young man was paid so little that his wife had to take a job cleaning the church just to get by. Still, it was hard to pay all the bills. Dates, movies, and eating at restaurants was an impossibility. To pour salt on the wounds, one of the older ladies of the church follows the minister’s wife around, pointing out what she missed or did wrong in her cleaning. How outrageous. How reprehensible. How unchristian and unloving.
I went to five different sites advertising for ministers. All of them were strictly Church of Christ sites. Having heard that we have a chronic preacher shortage (fair enough, I’ve heard that all my life) I was surprised that there weren’t hundreds of listings; still, there were scores of listings at most of the sites. More than half of the congregations wanted a retired man or someone right out of school; in other words, someone who could live on a tiny salary with no benefits. Some of them even said the new minister would have to bring some of their salary with them. Others insisted on a retired man who has a retirement income already; they would provide a church house. Anyone who has ever lived in a parsonage knows that it is not really a benefit. You don’t build equity, the congregation considers it their house so your privacy is severely limited, and you can’t change it without drawing the wrath of some of the members.
Even some larger congregations (over 100, less than 350) were offering salaries that were way below the average of their members. I did some checking on websites that showed the average income of people in different cities, adding in the factor that ministers are usually well educated, checked on the neighborhoods in which the ministers lived and found… in most cases, the new minister would not be able to live in the community where the building was located because he wouldn’t be paid enough. No wonder many of my friends have left ministry over the last decade. They are selling insurance, teaching school, or running other businesses. They are paid better, have definite periods where they are off work, and have great benefits.
I’ve talked to many ministers who are slipping into deadly levels of debt because they don’t have enough money to keep their family going. Many (most?) live without adequate health insurance and very, very few have a retirement program. They are on call 24/7 and expected to enjoy living in a fishbowl, enjoy going out in the dead of night to patch up a family that has imploded for the umpteenth time, clean the building, maintain the baptistry, write and print the bulletin, do the work of the elders so that they are released to serve as a supervisory board, do the work of the deacons, and still have a wife who is eager to teach classes every week (often more than one), and have perfect children. Oh, and it would be great if he could do counseling, coach neighborhood sports, join the local service organizations such as Kiwanis and Elks, have personal Bible studies every week with people he has found and recruited… and if he asks for a raise he is made to feel small, mercenary, ungodly.
That is tragic and it is wrong. A local Methodist minister tragically died way before his time. Because he is part of the Methodist church and they take care of their pastors, his family were heavily insured and they are provided for. They have their expenses taken care of, income coming in, etc. One of the ministers in our religious tribe died recently. He was within six years of age of the Methodist minister. His family had to move back home to his widow’s parents’ house. They’ve got nothing.
This is sinful. Some of it is due to the way we look at ministers. Campbell felt that all ministers should be self-supporting and he made fun of those with advanced degrees in theology and ministry. The CoC branch of the Restoration Movement sometimes reveled in the fact that their ministers weren’t college educated. Once they became college educated, they still paid them as if they weren’t. In the larger churches, this is changing as people begin to understand that their ministers are professionals with huge burdens, a diverse set of skills, and the crushing responsibility to lead God’s people.
When I visit other churches, I become an advocate of the local ministers. I talk to their elders about what they are paying them and how they are treating them. Almost always, this is welcomed. Perhaps that is because I have reached a certain level within our profession and I am at a certain age so I am taken seriously. Perhaps it is also due to the fear that some churches have that I have a pile of churches wanting preachers in mind and I can take their away by making him a better offer. (almost never true) Regardless, it is good to finally have the chance to speak up for the ministers of small churches; those who bear the greatest burden in our fellowship and who are never on the lecture circuit, never invited to our large gatherings, and whose names never grace the latest bestseller. Without them, our religious tribe would collapse. In the same way junior enlisted men are the backbone of the military, these men and their families are the backbone of our movement. They should be treated honorably and sacrificially.
Some have told me that the root of this problem might have once been in our southern heritage, our anti-educational mindset, and Campbell’s teachings but that it is now much more rooted in the average member’s refusal to give as they have been prospered. I know that that is a HUGE part of this. In my own wonderful congregation, a third of those who attend give between $0-20 a week. I know many of them make salaries over $50k but they rationalize away their lack of giving by saying they don’t always agree with everything the church does, or they have debts, or they are sending a kid to college. Since they don’t put their treasure in the church, their heart isn’t there, either.
That kind of rationalization has consequences, here and in the hereafter. Jesus told us to honor those who labor among us. His apostles told us the same thing. God told us that it was wrong to keep an ox from eating the corn he was treading! He was working, so he deserved a part of the profits. Church members need to look at their own souls and then step up and honor those humble men and women who are serving them. If not, judgment awaits.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 8:57 am # Wendy
Sobering and humbling post!
on 29 Aug 2008 at 9:43 am # Greg England
A few years into my 8 years of hell in Florida, we were having an annual budget meeting and my salary came up. There were two ministers, the other had been (and was being) well paid. When the subject of my salary came up and I was asked what I needed in an increase and I told them, one of the elders said, rather indignantly, “I’ve never made that much money in my life!” Needless to say, I didn’t get what I requested nor anything near what the other preacher had been paid before I came. He was supposed to have retired. For the most part, what preachers endure from congregations is nothing less than a sin. I was fortunate in Long Beach to have a caring church family. At least more so than most preachers I’ve known.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 10:10 am # Eric S. Mueller
I definitely admire what preachers are willing to endure. It cannot be an easy job.
I’m not sure where the “anti-intellectualism” in the church came from. I have my suspicions. “Love God with all your mind” is sort of a commandment, and I try to follow it (I don’t have much of a heart or soul, so I have work with what I’ve got.) I suspect at least part of it is that human nature impulse to disagree with something and run to the exact opposite, which is best illustrated in political arguments. I’ve mentioned to friends with more of a propensity than me to support large government programs that “I don’t believe it’s the government’s job to solve or even attempt to solve this problem,” only to face the retort “Oh, so you’d rather let poor children starve, eh?” Although that is not what I said, the logical fallisy is designed to shut down the argument. (This is only an example, not an attempt to start a political discussion.) I suspect that part of the movement faced a similar logical thought process that went like this: “OK, the movements we’re moving away from have ministers who are highly educated, therefore, education must be the problem. We’ll just get ‘back to the basics’ and forget about educating ourselves.” It’s just a suspicion, and I’m probably wrong.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 10:18 am # Kyle Parker
I understand all too well wahat you’re talking about here. Even my mom (the most loving, tender, compassionate Christian woman I know) and my dad (a shepherd in the church for several years) have questioned our judgement in staying at certain congregations. Obviously there are more tangibles than money, but it sure would be nice not to worry about it. We live in a 900 square foot house – not a mansion. Anyway, lest I become too bitter, we need to also remember the youth ministers. With no less hourse worked, several activities to go to (games, band concerts, musicals – some of which should enlist hazard pay), and all of the other things you talked about with preachers, we’re still considered the “lesser” ministers by many congregations and paid as such. Hug your youth minister and especially his wife the next time you see them. And remember, home made cookies don’t pay the rent, but they sure put a smile on a minister’s face!
By the way, Patrick, good call on Alasksa governor, Sarah Palin for McCain. I’m excited about his choice. My wife says she is now considering getting involved in politics (she’s in grad school for Politcal Science, so…more involved?). Just think, if McCain wins, she’s young enough to run herself in 4-8 years. Very exciting!
on 29 Aug 2008 at 10:33 am # Brie
As a minister’s wife, I definitely hear what you are saying. We have been very lucky that the job that I work at has excellent health insurance. I’ve got a touchy medical history and can’t go uncovered. This job that I work also has insanely cheap life insurance, which is wonderful. The two-ish hours in the car to get there every day aren’t ideal, but who wants that much of a commute anyway?
I love the church that we serve at. I love our kids, I love the people there, I love being at a place that I think genuinely loves people. I was a member at this church for five years before Kyle came to be a youth minister, and have been serving with him since then. It is a good place.
It is also not a place that can afford much in the way of salary. This is compounded by the fact that youth ministers are usually in a different pay grade from pulpit guys.
This meant that when we had our son, I was back at work five weeks after he got here. It means that someone else has been watching him almost every day since then so that I can work. It means that vacation gets put off until later, that anniversary celebrations are deferred, and that dates are board games after munchkin is bed (which is quite nice, actually). It means that we both work a second job on the side, often 10-12 hours on a Saturday. We actually get a small support check from someone outside of our church every month, which is what helps us make ends meet. It is really hard to keep perspective sometimes. Sometimes I just want to stamp my foot and say “It’s not fair! Five years without a raise is craziness!” We just paid off the student loans from Kyle’s undergrad degree- it took 10 years! I can see why going into full-time ministry would be less than tempting for someone just starting in college.
But still. We love our kids. We love the work that we do there. We are blessed to have a family that has helped us time and again and a place to live and jobs to go to. The church is, I think, doing what it can to help. And that goes a long way.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 10:34 am # Brie
Oh, two-ish hours round trip. Not one way. That would be really insane.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 12:50 pm # Danny Gill
Good thoughts, Patrick. Sadly, this is all too true in our brotherhood. All of it.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 1:41 pm # Jeff Slater
Well said, Patrick. Thank you for this.
on 29 Aug 2008 at 1:57 pm # Tired Minister
All the things you mention above (and more) are the reasons I’m seeking employment outside the church. I’ve been a pulpit minister for almost 15 years now, and I just can’t take it anymore.
I’m tired of the disrespect, the criticism (always behind my back), the unrealistic expectations, the way my responsibilities are constantly changing (depending on who complained this week), the church politics, and the effect it’s had on my wife (who is also a Minister’s daughter) and my kids. I could go on and on, but I’ll leave it there.
Yes, I am somewhat bitter (and I’m working on that/praying about that).
I’ve applied for a job nearby that really looks like it will be exactly what I need and am looking for. If any of you remember, would you pray for me and this job?
Thanks.
We are praying for you. Too many know exactly what you are going through. May God raise up congregations who put their heart and treasure into the Kingdom per Jesus’ command.
For obvious reasons, I cannot give my name. Just call me Tired Minister (if you pray for me, God will know who I am!)
on 29 Aug 2008 at 7:22 pm # Pat Fox
Well Patrick you’re hitting on a topic I’ve been talking about the last few years. It always amazed me that the Catholic church treat their pedophile Priest better than the CoC treat their ministers. After dealing with a couple of church splits in the CoC I couldn’t help but feel terrible how those miniters were treated (regardless of who was right or wrong in the disputes). We’re called to be the light of the world and to bring Christ to the lost, how can we do that when we throw our brother (minister) out the door with NOTHING but a pink slip and 3 weeks of pay?
on 29 Aug 2008 at 8:10 pm # Josh
Patrick,
You are dead on. I loved this post. Thanks for using this medium to talk about a blatant “injustice” . . .
on 29 Aug 2008 at 10:50 pm # nick gill
I’ve alway found it really ironic that A. Campbell was himself highly educated AND that he founded his own university.
Methinks his mockery of education was (like his position in the dispute over missionary societies) more about control than education itself. He didn’t mind preachers being highly educated, so long as HE was the one doing the educating.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 4:44 am # Heather
Patrick,
Thank you for your boldness on a rather touchy subject. As you know I have a soft spot for our ministers (and their wives) and feel called to encourage and help them in any way possible. I challenge your readers to get to know their ministers personally and find ways to assist them and their families. It doesn’t have to be an anonymous gift of money (although that helps), but it could be assisting them in a project at their house or babysitting their kids to give them time together as a couple. My husband and I once did a “while you were out” remodel for the youth minister’s wife. The three of us painted their living room and kitchen while his wife was away for the weekend. It was so fun and she was greatly encouraged by it.
There is no other profession more worthy of great pay and praise. I wish everyone could have the great staff that we do. Thanks for ALL you do!
on 30 Aug 2008 at 6:45 am # Don Lohr
Patrick, Your post brings Iain Cameron to mind, not that his congregation was antagonistic, just so small. How’s he doing these days?
on 30 Aug 2008 at 8:09 am # Patrick Mead
Powerful point, Pat.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 8:10 am # Patrick Mead
I think you’re dead on here, Nick. I often wonder what our movement would have looked like had Thomas Campbell, rather than Alexander, been its leader. Alexander’s egotism and control issues became the seeds for divisions that continue to this day.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 8:11 am # Patrick Mead
Iain’ support has been almost nonexistent in recent years and his family has suffered. Email me if you want to know more…
on 30 Aug 2008 at 9:46 am # Trey Morgan
Wow, that took some “guts” (not the word I wanted to use, but a little nicer). Thanks for speaking up on a touchy subject.
It’s amazing the work you can do as a minister when you feel like you have to support (emotionally and financially) of the church and eldership. You attitude is better, which also improves your ministry.
Amen, Amen, Amen!
on 30 Aug 2008 at 12:34 pm # Keith Brenton
I have heard some reasons in favor of a minister working outside the church as well as in, and supporting himself and his family at least in part in this way. It would put him out in the community. It would make him feel less isolated. It would acquaint him with real-world challenges. (Because none of those things ever come sobbing into his church office or banging on his parsonage door late at night.)
And it gives him something to fall back on when the church fires him without notice for not giving his full time and attention to his part-time job with them.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 3:01 pm # Dave
Keith -
And the minister is still expected to carry the duties of a regular +60 hour a week minister on top of that job in most cases. Without checks and balances within the church leadership, a plan like that will most often end in a very ugly manner.
Speaking as one who is currently being chewed up and spit out, I take slight offense to that idea (not to you or your sharing of thoughts). I can barely exhaled with my family as it is, let alone considering another job to supplement my income. and I am well aware that the expectations (often unsaid) on me would not change.
Dave, I’m sorry you are having such a hard time. It probably doesn’t help much to know that you have plenty of company! Know this, though: Keith wasn’t suggesting that you add an outside job to the full time job you have now. If I understand him right (and his heart is one of the best hearts going) he is speaking of vocational ministry. That concept really does work well, but it isn’t the same as full time ministry. Our prayers are with you.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 4:58 pm # Rudi
Amen Patrick, well said. I don’t think that the folks in the pews really understand the toll this job takes on their ministers and families.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 5:12 pm # pete
I couldn’t agree more with you Patrick, or feel more for you Tired Minister!!! At my Mother in laws Church of Christ funeral, I was in the process of leaving the ministry, talking to a friend who had already left the ministry, while the minister who was doing the funeral walked into the funeral home, came over to me and my friend and told us “Well, I just gave the Elders my notice… I’m out tooâ€. Just for a second we all looked at each other and just kind of blinked. It shouldn’t be this way folks!! Now I work in a small factory. It is good not to have to worry about people coming up to me and looking in my grocery cart to decide if I am using my money wisely (yes, that really used to happen). Maybe some day our tribe (and others) will stop seeing the ministers as their personal puppets, and start to look just a little farther out than what makes them feel safe, superior and happy at that moment!
Pete & Rudi
on 30 Aug 2008 at 5:22 pm # Brad Palmore
Yes, but no one can serve two masters.
I’ve done this before, and despite the fact that it was necessary to supplement my income and that it didn’t affect my ministry in any way, the ‘church’ can be very, very jealous.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 5:43 pm # Brad Palmore
Not to interrupt the theme we have going, but I’d like to throw in some of my experience.
After completing my bachelor’s degree, I was offered $28,000 per year to work for a church of 500 members. The median income for an American with a bachelor’s degree is $57,000. That alone reveals a pretty stark contrast. I didn’t accept the job at 28K, but I settled for far less than median.
At the same time I was entering ministry, a church in Colorado was looking for a minister. Their expectations? Master’s Degree, married with children, 10 years experience in comparable position. Starting salary: $18,000 (the man may need to raise additional support to work with us).
During a brief forced sabbath from ministry we were invited to interview with a church in Texas. We were living in Missouri, and they wanted me to bring my wife and my children so they could meet them as well. When I asked how they wanted to arrange travel expenses, I was told, “Well, you need to know that we’ve never paid more than $25 for a try-out (yes, not a typo).”
I’ve seen a lot of improvement in the last few years as far as ministry compensation is concerned. Unfortunately, fixing the pay doesn’t equal fixing the broken thinking that caused the pay problem to begin with. I’ve worked for churches that have paid very well that have been fairly bankrupt in leadership and spirituality.
All that being said…
My current congregation takes very, very good care of us, both materially and spiritually. We feel very blessed to have this current opportunity. This is such a breath of fresh air among rather polluted conditions.
To all the ministers, minister’s wives, and minister’s children that are not able to share our current blessing with us, please know that we all know what you’re dealing with and that our hearts cry giant, semi-angry tears on your behalf.
One of my friends preached the AM and PM service at a small church and taught their Bible class. They slipped him $50 with a wink and told him “Now, we don’t pay people this much, usually, but we really liked you.” They were serious. I have traveled across country, spoken several times, and ended up losing hundreds after the “honorarium” didn’t cover all of the travel costs, meals, etc. much less the effort put into preparation and delivery of the lessons. In the last couple years, I have begun talking to people about the money before I book my flights. I hate doing that but I lost so much money a couple of years that it put my family at risk.
on 30 Aug 2008 at 7:27 pm # Keith Brenton
I’ve got to learn how to make a “tongue-in-cheek” emoticon.
Guys, I genuinely didn’t mean to offend. I work in a church office – though I am not a minister (nor do I play one on TV) – and I see what full-time ministry is about and what it does to some of the best. I don’t think any of the folks I work with have a problem with their salaries, either. It’s just bone-numbing work at every conceivable hour of the day, every day.
And I have some experience with the level of appreciation that goes with it. On an anonymous member survey at my church last spring, one person’s write-in comment was that the church would be blessed “if several elders (who were unnamed) and Keith Brenton were removed.”
I still have no idea who or why.
And from time to time, I still pray for ‘em anyway.
on 31 Aug 2008 at 1:54 pm # David Corbett
OVU is much like many churches when it comes to pay. They expect you to have a Doctorate (I’m now ABD and starting my dissertation) but yet pay at least 20k less than other colleges. I told a board member that faculty and staff are leaving in droves due to this and the 40k or more you have to pay to get a doctorate. To go 40k in debt or for a 40k job is hard. I was told by the board member that is how Christian education is. Easy to say that when you are not the one in the situation.
on 31 Aug 2008 at 2:05 pm # Laurie
Thank you for writing about what ministers go through. I have seen several very good men leave serving the Lord and the church because of how the church member with the most money treated them. I have to say that the current congregation pays well and takes care of their two ministers (where I attend). When I was single and hoping to find Mr. wonderful, I prayed, prayed, prayed: Please God, don’t let him be a minister. Sad, I know but the truth. I’ve married well and he’s not a minister in the pulpit sense, but he sure cares about others like most ministers I know. Thanks for tackling a touching subject. I’ve come to believe that you might have been the voice in the wilderness for a while, but now that you have the internet you surely know you’re not alone.
on 01 Sep 2008 at 1:13 pm # pam
All the above comments have caused me to change my view of “Church”. I believe the church described in the bible would not describe the above. I believe men have used the word “Church” to describe their orginization. After all church is not built of brick and mortor. Gods people are a group of spiritual people on a journey toward heaven. We don’t expect the ‘minister’ to do our work for us. We don’t expect youth ministers to guide our children. Gods people have taken the easy way out with our church orginizations. We expect the preacher, bible teachers, youth ministers etc. to do our work. Wake up Christians its time to take our “church” back from the ministers and lay people. WE ARE THE CHURCH. Thank goodness for wonderful ministers like Patrick who can challenge us to think! If we are Gods people then we need to get busy. I think its a crying shame our particular congregation can send $100 a month to a orphans home, but hardly anyone would sacrifice their home to take a child in. We collect over $20,000 a week and most of it goes to salaries or buildings. I believe God is at work in these organizations, there is lots of chaos and rethinking happening. These thoughts come from the mother-in-law of a minister. I love him to pieces as he challenges us all to get busy, visiting, teaching, praying, and teaching our own children about GOD. Are you planting seeds for Jesus or dropping your money in the plate expecting others to do it for you? Why is it that “Meals on Wheels” feeds our elderly and nursing homes take care of our aging parents. Special homes are built for the “orphans”. The Baptist men seem to show up after ever disaster with the Red Cross. What organization is it that builds homes for the needy? Habitat for Humanity. What are the churches doing with their money? We are very selfish with our own ministers, I’m pretty sure, even after they are doing all our WORK!
on 02 Sep 2008 at 7:26 am # Jill S
Your comment about ministers “who bear the greatest burden in our fellowship and who are never on the lecture circuit, never invited to our large gatherings, and whose names never grace the latest bestseller. Without them, our religious tribe would collapse.” brought tears to my eyes. Yes, yes, yes! THANK YOU for your thoughts.
on 02 Sep 2008 at 11:41 am # Ric
I am an elder in a congregation of about 200. I would like to know what the median salary of a minister in that size of congregation. Currently our minister makes about $1113.00 a week plus medical and retirement benefits. We also provide a blackberry and services, three weeks vacation and pay for additional education. We are looking at his annual cost of living and benefits and it would be nice to know where we stand in comparison to other conregations.
on 02 Sep 2008 at 12:30 pm # Elizabeth
But isn’t this somewhat of a common thread among those who choose to serve their community? I just graduated from law school with $150k+ of loans over my head, and my dream job (serving foster youth as a legal advocate) pays $22k. Even without the loans I likely couldn’t survive on that! This is not a problem unique to ministers, but one that faces all people who want to do grass-root level work, but can’t afford to.
on 02 Sep 2008 at 1:51 pm # Darryl
I must add this gem from my last interview process about 7 years ago.
A church in central Texas was very interested and we were in negotiations. They had a gentleman who had served for 20 years as their minister but had taken a small salary because he was a professor at the local college. They had grown accustomed to paying less than a living wage…the minister had encouraged this by turning down offers of pay increases.
When I make a proposal to the elders, they tell me they will contact me after talking to the congregation because I was asking for a reasonable salary, $50K plus some benefits, but the congregation would probably have a little sticker shock.
They called and said, “We want to wait to make you an offer until we find out what your wife will be making”.
I was stunned by the audacity! I diplomatically ended the conversation to give me time to gather my thoughts and called back the next day to say “No thanks!”
I am now in my 7th year with my new congregation, and although we have had some rough moments, I have never been loved, appreciated and compensated better. In fact, the economic downturn in So. Cal. has been so severe, I am offering to take a significant cut in salary because, frankly, I think they gave me a far too large raise last year.
I think 99% of my preaching brethren would do the same because it isn’t really about the money but about the opportunity to serve the Lord.
on 02 Sep 2008 at 2:57 pm # mr. confused
Maybe COC ministers should start a union. They can go on strike to demand better pay and show those who write their checks how important they are.
on 02 Sep 2008 at 11:55 pm # Michael R.
You might take a look at Abilene Christian’s minister salary survey.
http://www.acu.edu/ministry/salarysurvey/index.html
on 03 Sep 2008 at 5:46 am # p.k.
“Regardless, it is good to finally have the chance to speak up for the ministers of small churches; those who bear the greatest burden in our fellowship and who are never on the lecture circuit, never invited to our large gatherings, and whose names never grace the latest bestseller. Without them, our religious tribe would collapse.”
My father is/was one of those men. Thank you for recognizing him! Though he would never want the spotlight on him.
I grew up in one of those small, underpaying congregations. He took the job in large part because he knew that the congregation would never be able to afford or attract many skilled candidates. It was in the north and had less than 100 members.
Over the 25 years he preached there, sometimes there were those who saw the financial sacrifice and made what adjustments they could. The military area we lived in meant the membership would change often along with the financial situation of the church. Thankfully Mom’s medical insurance was good and she struggled through the 25 year mark with the school district to ensure that insurance in their retirement and some income. They lived there long enough to have paid off a mortgage and built plenty of equity – but they lived in the parsonage instead. I have heard people (not COC members) make snide remarks about the tax benefit preachers get from the “Housing Allowance” and it makes me furious.
Their sacrifice was not as great as some but more than their friends and some family members even know.
We should examine ourselves that we are giving as we should. We should sacrifice and stand up for those ministers – we ask them to sacrifice and stand up for us. And we should pray for those who serve in situations where changes are just not possible. May God fill these people up with his Spirit in a special way!
I tried sending this earlier, not sure that I did so correctly as this is my first time commenting here. As there are many who know me and my father and read this blog, please simply sign this P.K.
on 03 Sep 2008 at 8:53 am # Jr
I am starting school now to earn a Masters in Divinity. I asked a minister I have looked up to about some guiding principles as I move forward and he said the following (I apologize for the length but I think its appropriate for this conversation):
“Take care of business. Someone asked me recently: “Is preaching a business or a ministry?” I said: “Both.” I entered the ministry at the same time as a good friend. He went to a Christian College and studied at the feet of a well-known pulpiteer who was mostly professor. The professor preached the virtues of sacrifice, telling the preacher boys how they ought to be living — without doing it himself. In 3 years, my friend was burned out. Twelve years into my ministry I started requiring the hiring church to sign a contract. The contract specifies not only my salary, but the expectations on which my performance is to be evaluated. No preacher should be without one. Require enough salary to live on, and then some. It should be enough to allow you to buy your own home. The church should pay half your Social Security, and all your medical insurance (and you should own the medical policy, not the church). Preacher students have for years been advised to opt out of Social Security to “save the Church money.” This is foolish, unethical, and illegal. One day you will be old and in need of medicare. Opt out, and you will be without help. Get a good finance guy to help you. Stay away from credit, and never, never borrow money from the brethren. Ever. Never ever ask for a raise. The minute you do, that’s all the brethren will ever remember: that you were always asking for more money and it brings your ministry into disrepute. If you aren’t being taken care of, go where you will be, but never tell that’s what you are doing. I have not asked for a raise in 31 years, and by following these rules, and with the Lord’s blessing, I have been well cared for.
Your wife is your wife and the mother of your children. She is not responsible to provide the family’s health insurance or to make up where the brethren leave off. Unless she is on the Church’s payroll, actually receiving her own check, she doesn’t work for the Church. I have never allowed my wife to be interviewed when I have applied to a congregation. I have refused to go to those who have required it. My wife has no problem handling herself in an interview, but by allowing her to be interviewed, it opens the door to thinking that the Church is getting two workers for the price of one. She is involved to the extent she can and wants to be. If they REALLY want to know how she is, they should contact the Church you are leaving for reference.” -end-
on 03 Sep 2008 at 11:40 am # Matthew
I believe this problem is forcing out the younger future ministers too. Most times, a younger man’s first work is in a smaller congregation that does not pay well. In the end, he goes into another line of work, because he has to feed his family. Thank you for this post.
http://www.matthewsblog.waynesborochurchofchrist.org
on 03 Sep 2008 at 12:11 pm # Tired Minister
Just to jump back in here…
Some of the discussion has centered around money, but I have to say that’s one area where my current church does pretty well. It hasn’t always been that way — the first church I worked with did not give us enough to make ends meet.
My concerns lie with the things I mentioned above — disrespect, criticism behind my back, unrealistic expectations, changing responsibilities, church politics, and the effect it’s had on my family.
on 03 Sep 2008 at 3:29 pm # Frank B.
Alex Campbell used to rag on preachers who accepted money. Meanwhile, he was living in a big house on a farm, all of which were given to him by his wife’s daddy. What a schmuck! And all those magazines he mailed out? Never paid a dime for postage because he was the Bethany postmaster! The U.S. postal service took away that benefit probably because of him.
on 04 Sep 2008 at 4:50 pm # Keith Brenton
Uh, Frank … maybe you ought to lighten up on the Yiddish ….
on 15 Sep 2008 at 4:42 pm # Frank
Oi vey, Keith. No offense intended.
on 29 Nov 2008 at 2:31 am # bradshaw
Lord send us a preacher poor and humble. You keep him humble and we will keep him poor. Amen
on 05 May 2010 at 11:47 pm # barbarb fagin
i really need a woman devotional bible please. im’ try so hard to stay in the word of god i dont have any money at this.can yall’me please thanks. i need big print so i can see god bless yall’